Journals of the Senate
51 Elizabeth II, A.D. 2002, Canada
Journals of the Senate
2nd Session, 37th Parliament
Issue 15
Tuesday, November 5, 2002
2:00 p.m.
The Honourable Daniel Hays, Speaker
The Members convened were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, Baker, Banks, Beaudoin, Biron, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, Carstairs, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Day, Di Nino, Doody, Eyton, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Hubley, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, Lapointe, LeBreton, Léger, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Meighen, Milne, Morin, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Phalen, Poulin (Charette), Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, St. Germain, Setlakwe, Sibbeston, Smith, Sparrow, Stollery, Stratton, Taylor, Watt
The Members in attendance to business were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, Baker, Banks, Beaudoin, Biron, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, Carstairs, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Day, Di Nino, Doody, Eyton, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Hubley, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, Lapointe, LeBreton, Léger, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Meighen, Milne, Morin, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Phalen, Poulin (Charette), Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, St. Germain, Setlakwe, Sibbeston, Smith, Sparrow, Stollery, Stratton, Taylor, Watt
PRAYERS
SENATORS' STATEMENTS
Some Honourable Senators made statements.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Presentation of Reports from Standing or Special Committees
The Honourable Senator Oliver tabled the following (Sessional Paper No. 2/37-182S):
TUESDAY, November 5, 2002
The Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry has the honour to table its
FIRST REPORT
Your Committee, which was authorized by the Senate to incur expenses for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such legislation and other matters as were referred to it, reports, pursuant to Rule 104, that the expenses of the Committee during the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament were as follows:
With respect to its special study into international trade in agricultural and agri-food products, and short-term and long-term measures for the health of the agricultural and the agri-food industry in all regions of Canada:
Professional and Other Services $ 27,482 Transportation and Communication $ 36,803 Witness Expenses $ 26,303 Other $ 746 Total $ 191,334
In the course of the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament, your Committee held 46 meetings and heard 124 witnesses. Your Committee studied two bills: C-25 and S-22.
Your Committee used its order of reference to examine international trade in agricultural and agri-food products, and short-term and long-term measures for the health of the agricultural and the agri-food industry in all regions of Canada to study Canadian, U.S. and European agriculture policy, the application of multifunctionality and the state of rural farm communities. Your Committee tabled two reports on this study entitled Looking South: U.S. Agriculture and Agri-Food Policy in the New Century and Canadian Farmers at Risk during the last session.
Your Committee used its order of reference to examine the present and future state of forestry to complete the work from the previous Parliament and tabled a final report entitled Report on Forestry.
Respectfully submitted,
DONALD H. OLIVER
Chair
The Honourable Senator Stollery tabled the following (Sessional Paper No. 2/37-183S):
TUESDAY, November 5, 2002
The Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs has the honour to table its
FIRST REPORT
Your committee, which was authorized by the Senate to incur expenses for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such legislation and other matters as were referred to it, reports, pursuant to Rule 104 of the Rules, that the expenses incurred by the committee during the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament are as follows:
1. With respect to its examination and consideration of legislation:
Professional Services — Transportation and Communication $ 81.00 All Other Expenditures — Witness Expenses $ 6,378.50 Total $ 6,459.50
2. With respect to its special study on such issues as may arise from time to time relating to foreign relations:
Professional Services $ 693 Transportation and Communication $ 9,557 All Other Expenditures — Witness Expenses — Total $ 10,250
3. With respect to its special study on emerging political, social, economic and security developments in Russia and Ukraine and Canada's policy and interests in the region:
Professional Services $ 18,781 Transportation and Communication $ 18,226 All Other Expenditures $ 10,757 Witness Expenses $ 24,427 Total $ 72,191
4. With respect to its special study on the consequences for Canada of the evolving European Union and on other related political, economic and security matters:
Professional Services — Transportation and Communication — All Other Expenditures — Witness Expenses $ 772.50 Total $ 772.50
During the session under consideration, your committee heard from seventy-one (71) witnesses, held forty-one (41) meetings and considered seven (7) Orders of Reference.
Your committee examined four (4) bills including : Bill C-6, An Act to amend the International Boundary Waters Treaty Act; Bill C-32, An Act to implement the Free Trade Agreement between the Government of Canada and the Government of the Republic of Costa Rica; Bill C-35, An Act to amend the Foreign Missions and International Organizations Act; and Bill C-50, An Act to amend certain Acts as a result of the accession of the People's Republic of China to the Agreement Establishing the World Trade Organization.
Your committee travelled on a fact-finding visit to Washington from May 14 to 16, 2001.
In all, your committee issued sixteen (16) reports in relation to its work.
Respectfully submitted,
PETER A. STOLLERY
Chair
Tabling of Reports from Inter-Parliamentary Delegations
The Honourable Senator Grafstein tabled the following:
Report of the Canadian Delegation of the Canada-Europe Parliamentary Association concerning its participation at the Eleventh Annual Session of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe Parliamentary Assembly, held in Berlin, Germany, from July 6 to 10, 2002.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-184.
The Honourable Senator Poulin tabled the following:
Report of the Canada-Japan Inter-Parliamentary Group respecting its participation at the Ninth General Assembly of the Asia-Pacific Parliamentarians' Conference on Environment and Development, held in Seoul, Korea, from July 10 to 13, 2002. —Sessional Paper No. 2/37-185.
Report of the Canada-Japan Inter-Parliamentary Group respecting its participation at the 23rd General Assembly of the ASEAN Inter-Parliamentary Organization, held in Hanoi, Vietnam, from September 8 to 13, 2002.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-186.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Jaffer, seconded by the Honourable Senator Maheu, for the second reading of Bill C-10, An Act to amend the Criminal Code (cruelty to animals and firearms) and the Firearms Act.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Sparrow moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Adams, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Motions
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Morin, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hubley:
That the following Address be presented to Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada:
To Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada.
MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY:
We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the Senate of Canada in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Kinsella for the Honourable Senator Beaudoin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Carstairs, P.C.:
That the documents entitled: "Proposals to amend the Parliament of Canada Act (Ethics Commissioner) and other Acts as a consequence'' and "Proposals to amend the Rules of the Senate and the Standing Orders of the House of Commons to implement the 1997 Milliken-Oliver Report'', tabled in the Senate on October 23, 2002, be referred to the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Sparrow moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Fairbairn, P.C.:
That the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance be authorized to examine and report upon the expenditures set out in the Supplementary Estimates (A) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2003, with the exception of Parliament Vote 10a.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Fairbairn, P.C.:
That the Standing Joint Committee on the Library of Parliament be authorized to examine the expenditures set out in Parliament Vote 10a of the Supplementary Estimates (A) for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2003; and
That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House accordingly.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Fairbairn, P.C.:
That the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance be authorized to examine and report upon the expenditures set out in the Estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2003, with the exception of Parliament Vote 10 and Privy Council Vote 35; and
That the papers and evidence received and taken on the subject during the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament be referred to the Committee.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
OTHER BUSINESS
Senate Public Bills
Orders No. 1 to 6 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Reports of Committees
Consideration of the Third Report (final) of the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology, entitled: The Health of Canadians — The Federal Role, Volume Six: Recommendations for Reform, tabled in the Senate on October 25, 2002.
The Honourable Senator Kirby moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Cook, that the Report be adopted.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Kinsella for the Honourable Senator LeBreton moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Keon, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Other
Orders No. 4 (inquiry), 4 (motion), 3 (inquiry), 3, 5 (motions), 2 (inquiry) and 7 (motion) were called and postponed until the next sitting.
MOTIONS
The Honourable Senator Cordy moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Biron:
That within 150 days, the Leader of the Government shall provide the Senate with a comprehensive government response to the report of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence entitled: Defence of North America: A Canadian Responsibility, tabled on August 30, 2002.
After debate,
In amendment, the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., that the motion be referred to the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament.
The question being put on the motion in amendment, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Kolber moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Maheu:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce be authorized to study the public interest implications for large bank mergers on:
- Access for Canadians throughout the country to convenient and quality financial services;
- The availability of financing for individuals and businesses, particularly small and mid-sized businesses;
- The Canadian economy and the ability of Canadian business to compete internationally;
- Communities and bank employees; and
- Any other related issues;
That the Committee be empowered to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings; and
That the Committee submit its final report no later than March 31, 2003.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Kinsella for the Honourable Senator Tkachuk moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gustafson, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Banks moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Cook:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources have power to engage the services of such counsel and technical, clerical, and other personnel as may be necessary for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such bills, subject-matters of bills and estimates as are referred to it.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Banks moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kolber:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources be empowered to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Comeau moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gustafson:
That Rule 86(1)(o) of the Senate be amended to read:
"The Senate Committee on Fisheries and Oceans, composed of twelve members, four of whom shall constitute a quorum, to which shall be referred, on order of the Senate, bills, messages, petitions, inquiries, papers and other matters relating to fisheries and oceans generally.''
After debate,
With leave of the Senate,
In amendment, the Honourable Senator Comeau moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gustafson, that the motion be referred to the Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament.
The question being put on the motion in amendment, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Bacon moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gill:
That the Clerk's Accounts, tabled on Thursday, October 31, 2002, be referred to the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 28(2):
Biennial Report of the Cree-Naskapi Commission for the year 2002, pursuant to the Cree-Naskapi (of Quebec) Act, S.C. 1985, c. 18, sbs. 17(1).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-175.
Summaries of the Corporate Plans for 2002-03 to 2006-07 and of the Operating and Capital Budgets for 2002-03 of the Federal Bridge Corporation Limited and its subsidiaries, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4). —Sessional Paper No. 2/37-176.
Report of the Public Service Staff Relations Board for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Public Service Staff Relations Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-35, sbs. 114(2).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-177.
Report on the accounts and financial transactions of the Canadian Transportation Accident Investigation and Safety Board, together with the Auditor General's Report, for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Canadian Transportation Accident Investigation and Safety Board Act, S.C. 1989, c. 3, sbs. 13(2).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-178.
Report of the Public Service Staff Relations Board for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Parliamentary Employment and Staff Relations Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. 33 (2nd Supp.), s. 84.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37- 179.
Summary of the Corporate Plan for 2002-03 to 2006-07 of the Atomic Energy of Canada Limited, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-180.
Report of the Canadian Artists and Producers Professional Relations Tribunal for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Status of the Artist Act, S.C. 1992, c. 33, s. 61. —Sessional Paper No. 2/37-181.
ADJOURNMENT
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Milne:
That the Senate do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
(Accordingly, at 5:35 p.m. the Senate was continued until 1:30 p.m. tomorrow.)
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Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 85(4)
Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament
The name of the Honourable Senator Sparrow substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Wiebe (November 4).
Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology
The name of the Honourable Senator Murray substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Robertson (November 4).